Adding a Prescriber to Your Practice with Laurie Groh | GP 118

Image of Laurie Grohis captured. On this therapist podcast, Laurie Groh talks about adding a Prescriber to Your Practice

Have you considered hiring a prescriber? What are the benefits of hiring a nurse practitioner into your practice? How do help to boost and improve the quality of client treatment?

In this podcast episode, Alison Pidgeon speaks with Laurie Groh about how to add a prescriber to your practice.

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Meet Laurie Groh

An image of Laurie Groh is captured. Laurie is a marriage counselor and co-owner of Shoreside Therapies. Laurie is featured on Practice of the Practice, a therapist podcast.

Laurie is a level 2 RLT marriage counselor and the co-owner of Shoreside therapies. Laurie works with individuals that want to improve their relationships — which includes not just marriages, but parent/child, friendship, and co-worker relations. Her typical clients include women who are business owners, perfectionists, and people learning to be more vulnerable. She’s married with 4 little kids, so she also likes working with moms that are trying to juggle it all!

Visit the Shoreside Therapies website. Connect with them on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

Connect with Laurie on LinkedIn and email her at lgshoreside@gmail.com

In This Podcast

  • The system of having a prescriber on staff
  • Have the prescriber be on site
  • How nurse practitioners block out their time
  • Benefits of having nurse practitioners on staff
  • Laurie’s tips

The system of having a prescriber on staff

  • Have a buffer between the clients and the nurse practitioner.
  • Most nurse practitioners that work contractually for practices often have other full or part-time positions that they work, so keep this in mind when scheduling their patients.

That is something that I think is really important, to have somebody willing to answer those phone calls and get back to somebody right away, because the truth is that most people who are looking to do a contracted position already tend to have a full-time job. (Laurie Groh)

  • Nurse practitioners are not often readily available to see clients, so create a booking system that is organized to keep both the nurse practitioner and the client on the same page.

That’s something that a lot of people don’t realize, is that there’s a lot more administrative work with having a prescriber, and you need somebody to handle that. (Alison Pidgeon)

Have the prescriber be on site

Work is busy. Between seeing clients, scheduling clients, taking payments, and running the business, it can become stressful to try to coordinate communication to and from different locations.

Because we’re seeing client after client, and so are they, [it can be] extremely difficult – I find – to communicate with people outside of our practice. (Laurie Groh)

If possible, consider having your nurse practitioner be on-site in your practice to smooth over the prescription and client process.

Use direct communication platforms to stay in touch and solve issues easily.

How nurse practitioners block out their time

  • They can often see more clients within one hour since their consultation periods are shorter than that of the average therapist.
  • Nurse practitioners could see up to 15 people per day, or more, depending on whether they are dealing with intakes or checkups.
  • Many nurse practitioners prefer to use the full first hour per intake for a new client.
  • Checkups are on average 15 to 30 minutes per client.

Benefits of having nurse practitioners on staff

  • Having a nurse practitioner on staff to work alongside counselors brings in a wealth of knowledge and a more collaborative approach to treating and counseling clients.
  • In-depth treatment.

To me, that is the number one reason to hire a prescriber, that collaboration piece. (Laurie Groh)

Having a staff member on-site who is knowledgeable in the effects of different medications can help boost and embolden the success of therapy, because there is direct communication between the therapist and the prescriber.

Laurie’s tips

  • Understand the medications present, what they are good for, and what they are not good for.
  • Hire a prescriber that is a good fit with the culture and the staff who are already present within your practice.
  • Have an exit plan for if a nurse practitioner leaves.

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Meet Alison Pidgeon, Group Practice Owner

An image of Alison Pidgeon is displayed. She is a successful group practice owner and offers private practice consultation for private practice owners to assist in how to grow a group practice. She is the host of Grow A Group Practice Podcast and one of the founders of Group Practice Boss.Alison Pidgeon, LPC is the owner of Move Forward Counseling, a group practice in Lancaster, PA and she runs a virtual assistant company, Move Forward Virtual Assistants.

Alison has been working with Practice of the Practice since 2016.  She has helped over 70 therapist entrepreneurs start and grow their businesses, through mastermind groups and individual consulting.

Transformation From A Private Practice To Group Practice

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Podcast Transcription

[ALISON PIDGEON] You are listening to the Grow a Group Practice podcast. Whether you were thinking about starting a group practice or in the beginning stages, or want to learn how to scale up your already existing group practice, you are in the right place. I’m Alison Pidgeon, your host, a serial entrepreneur with four businesses, one of which is a large group practice that I started in 2015. Each week, I feature a guest or topic that is relevant to group practice owners. Let’s get started.

Hi, I’m Alison Pidgeon. Thanks for joining me today. We have a great topic for you, we’re talking all about adding a prescriber to your practice. I get this question all the time. As a group practice owner, typically people start a practice and they’re offering therapy services and pretty soon they start thinking about whether or not to add a psychiatrist or nurse practitioner to their practice in form of services that they can provide. So today I’m talking to Laurie Groh, she’s the co-owner of Shoreside Therapies, which is located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. She’s a therapist and a group practice owner. She also has had a nurse practitioner in her practice for the past few years. So she talks all about her experience with adding that person and how it’s been to have that sort of other line of service as a part of the practice. So if you’ve been thinking about adding a prescriber, definitely listen to this interview and I hope you enjoy. Hi, Laurie. Welcome.
[LAURIE GROH] Hi, Alison. Thanks for having me.
[ALISON] Absolutely. So Laurie is one of the members of our Group Practice Boss community, so I’ve gotten to know her and her practice pretty well. Maybe we could just take a minute to let everybody else know what your practice is all about and give us the introduction.
[LAURIE] Sure. So I am co-owner of Shoreside Therapies. I’ve been in practice for, I think it’s been about 10 years now and my partner and I started just us two and then we brought in therapists after therapists, and then we also decided to hire a nurse practitioner. So we have a prescriber as well. Shoreside Therapies, a I would call it a boutique experience, so we really cater to less clients, more availability. So one of the nice things is that we are available through email, or you can call us, it’s not this like very strict protocol where you can’t get ahold of us if something’s going on.

We try to really be there for our clients. Good news as well, and I didn’t mention this yet, Alison, but we did buy a building. So we’ll have to talk about that. That’s a new thing for sure side and I’m trying to think of other things with shoreside. We see a lot of different clients. We have somebody that works with eating disorders, somebody that works with grief, spirituality, families, kids, borderline personality disorder, OCD. So we have a wide group of people right now. I think we have eight therapists and a nurse practitioner.
[ALISON] Great. Are you self-pay or insurance or both?
[LAURIE] We do a combination, so we take insurance, but we’re out-of-network. So basically we put everything through insurance. The insurance company actually pays the client back versus them giving us a check which makes our bookkeeping super, super easy in comparison to waiting for that check to come from the insurance and adjusting so we feel like it’s the best of both worlds.
[ALISON] Nice. The reason why I wanted to have you on the podcast today is to talk about your experience of hiring a prescriber. I know you said you’ve only had nurse practitioners, but I think this could apply to psychiatrists or nurse practitioners. So how did you get started with that? Where did that come from or how did you find that person?
[LAURIE] That’s a good question. So we decided this was probably after being in practice for a couple years together, that we were struggling for our clients to find psychiatrists that were available without waiting four to six weeks to get in, sometimes longer. Most people now would, would say that that wait time is even longer. So we just wanted basically somebody that we could get in, that a client could get in within that week or two and so we decided to hire a nurse practitioner. At that point we knew nothing, pretty much nothing about that process and what that would look like, who to hire. So we started with somebody, she’s really amazing great personality, fun to be round but she didn’t have a ton of experience in the mental health world.

So we took her on as more of like a let’s educate this person, let’s help this person to do this particular job. So that went well until it didn’t. Again, I mentioned how nice and caring she was. When you are prescribing certain medications for clients sometimes they want a refill sooner, sometimes people will forget to actually go back in to get a refill. So there was a lot of stuff she was doing that she probably shouldn’t have been doing didn’t need to do, and it really just wore her out. So she ended up leaving mostly because of the, I would say like the stress of that different position without really knowing what could potentially happen or where your boundaries might get crossed. Still talk with her today and still friendly with her. I mean she was great. It just …
[ALISON] Yes, so she didn’t have specific training in psychiatry?
[LAURIE] Correct. She had some, she had some, but I wouldn’t say that that’s what her specialty is or was, more or less doing it in order to have somewhat of her own practice. Some of the medication is pretty fair, it’s fairly easy to prescribe. We weren’t concerned about that so much because we don’t usually have a lot of complicated cases. However, the experience in mental health would’ve probably helped her in regards to her boundaries and not feeling overwhelmed.
[ALISON] That’s really interesting. I wanted to point out too, like, I’m sure this really varies from state to state depending on what their laws are around nurse practitioners. You’re obviously in a different state for me. So here in Pennsylvania, we actually can’t hire nurse practitioners because we need a medical doctor to supervise them. They actually have to be on staff and I think like signing off on their notes and things. So I would love to hire a nurse practitioner, but we can’t without an MD. Then I think also there is a program here, I think it might be in Philadelphia where you can actually get your psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. So I know the place that I worked before, that’s where they were hiring them from. I just wanted to point that out just in case somebody is looking for a nurse practitioner to look at those two things, because it sounds like the woman that you hired it would’ve been a better situation maybe if she had more of that specialized training.
[LAURIE] Yes, it is different in Wisconsin where the nurse practitioner doesn’t necessarily need a medical director to sign off on unless they are doing like ketamine treatments, which we can talk about too a little bit later because that’s our new person has that knowledge and background and we are trying to move forward in that area too. It’s pretty exciting.
[ALISON] Yes.
[LAURIE] But he does have that medical director that he partners with. So that makes it easier for us. We didn’t have to do that work, but typically you don’t need that.
[ALISON] So just interesting how that really varies from state to state. The one question I did want to ask too about the first person you brought on, I think a lot of people don’t realize how it’s not like bringing on another therapist and you can just sort of plug them into the systems and the processes that you already have developed. It really is a whole different line of services. So you may have to look at does the EHR work for a prescriber or do they need their own assistant to help them manage all the patients? So like what was your process or what was their journey like around all of that, like looking at how the processes in the systems had to be different?
[LAURIE] That’s a great question because it does. And it’s not a huge shift, but when we first started out and had our first nurse practitioner, that again, that part was on us because we didn’t have an assistant. We didn’t have somebody that was that buffer in between the client and the nurse practitioner. So I do think looking back if we would’ve had that in place, that probably would’ve been easier. I don’t think she would’ve gotten burnt out. But that is something that I think is really important to have somebody that’s willing to answer those phone calls or get back to somebody right away, because the truth is that most people that are looking to do a sort of a contracted position already tend to have a full-time job. At least everybody that we’ve worked with either had a part-time or another full-time position. So they’re not always going to be available. It would be great if they were, but that’s not really realistic, at least for us in our practice. So that was a big thing, was really having somebody to answer the phone and answer questions because otherwise then I would be the one that would be pulled in to help it. That’s not probably the best use of my time. Happy to help, but it’s probably not the best use of my time.
[ALISON] I feel like the other thing is too, because prescribers tend to have a lot more patients than a typical therapist would. Then you just, you have just that much more of a volume of administrative work, phone calls and med refills and documentation and all of that stuff. So I think that’s something also that a lot of people don’t realize is that there’s a lot more administrative work with having a prescriber and you definitely need somebody to handle that. The work is a little bit different than having a therapist.
[LAURIE] The volume, I think that’s right on, is that there’s going to be probably triple if not quadruple them on a client’s. Even just working really part-time, even one day a week or two days a week, it’s still going to be pretty high volume. So it’s a lot to take on depending on the client though, too, and the clientele. Some people need a lot more assistance and others don’t, but you got to be prepared for that.
[ALISON] Yes, for sure. So when you looked at your EHR, did that work for a prescriber or did you have to find a different system to use?
[LAURIE] It did. I’m laughing a bit because our new nurse practitioner, we struggled with using this new system. Previously, all of our nurse practitioners had their own system that they were already using. I think our first one actually did just prescription pad. But yes, we had to go through a lot of back and forth with TheraNest. It ends up that it works just fine, but there’s a couple of things with TheraNest, just to, I guess, recognize or notice is that once you hire a prescriber, you do have to wait up to four weeks before you can even get going with them on e-scribe. So we were lucky where our nurse practitioners like that’s okay. I’ll just hand write them. It’s been a while since I’ve handwritten, but I’m okay doing that until we can get started. But I was not actually aware of that prior to hiring him. That’s a big chunk of time.
[ALISON] Yes. So with the prescribing function in the EHR, does that send the scripts electronically, like to the pharmacy, or how does that work?
[LAURIE] It does, it does. So TheraNest has like a second e-Scribing service. So he just basically has to type it in and then it goes right to the pharmacy.
[ALISON] Oh, nice.
[LAURIE] What’s nice as well is that they’re part of the system too, and I cannot think of the name of the system, but basically it checks to make sure that a person isn’t going from prescriber to prescriber in order to get medication. It’s not required in Wisconsin, I don’t know in other places, it’s not required, but it’s just good practice to use that. So that’s an additional cost as well. That can be up to $60 a month just for that.
[ALISON] Okay. So when you hired your first nurse practitioner, were they a contractor or a W2 employee or how did that work?
[LAURIE] Contractor? So we have contractors for therapy as well. That’s just how we do the business, which pros and cons to that, I think there would be a benefit in if you had a W2 system going, because I think that there would be a little bit more collaboration potentially. But our new nurse practitioner, he’s very, very, very good with the communication between therapists and we hired him specifically because he wants to attend the meetings, even though it’s not required because we’re 1099s, but he wants to be there. He wants to do the good work and the collaboration is key.

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[ALISON] Yes, that’s great. I imagine too, like that’s probably one of the big advantages of having the prescriber in the office. There’s just like that natural communication that goes back and forth that happens too, hopefully with folks who are working in different institutions or different practices, but it’s just harder because you’re not in the same building or working under the same umbrella.
[LAURIE] In fact, I honestly have a lot of difficulty with the communication when somebody’s not in our practice, because sometimes that is the case where somebody comes in, they already have a psychiatrist or a nurse practitioner that they’re working with and the communication there tends to be tedious and a lot of back and forth just because we’re seeing client after client and so are they. So it’s extremely difficult, I find to communicate with people outside of our practice. And here we use WhatsApp, which is encrypted, so we can talk that way and really quickly have some conversations. So it doesn’t have to be this two-week window of waiting for that person to get back to you. You can talk to them that day if needed.
[ALISON] That’s great. Just going back a second about, you said before the nurse practitioner’s a contractor, how do you figure out how to pay them because I imagine it would be very different from paying a therapist?
[LAURIE] It is. I mean, it is, as far as the expectations are a little different. So I don’t think we’ve had anyone that felt like the typical therapy rate, we do a split, none of them had felt like that was appropriate. So I would say that typically I would expect to do more like a 5% increase if you are a contractor type of business because number one, it’s a volume thing in the reverse, meaning that our nurse practitioners typically only work one day a week. So for them to feel like it’s worth their time financially, we do tend to have that 5% increase. We’ve had other nurse practitioners that have asked or requested more. So that tends to be more of a battle. I use that a little loosely, because it’s not like a real battle, but there tends to be a lot of negotiation as far as what somebody wants as far as their rate. So their rate obviously, well, maybe not obviously is more procession sure and then tends to be shorter in duration.
[ALISON] So they’re making more per hour probably than a therapist because they’re seeing more patients in an hour?
[LAURIE] Yes, yes.
[ALISON] How many people can they see in an hour, in a day? How do they block out their time?
[LAURIE] Well, we typically had, previously we had our nurse practitioners work on Saturdays. It just seemed like it worked best for everybody. I would say they could see up to, I would say 15 people a day. I don’t think that that’s typical for us. I think somebody could really see more than that depending on new intakes versus is it just a med check? So another thing I just want to point out with using the nurse practitioners in the past, and I can’t speak about psychiatrists, but all the nurse practitioners we’ve ever had want to spend that solid hour time for that intake. So the put in a lot of time for that first initial appointment, which I don’t know if that’s always the case depending on the psychiatrist somebody might see. So that is something that obviously takes up more time. They might not be able to see as many people. It’s usually then either a 30-minute checkup or 15-minute checkup, depending on how complex the medication is or if there needs to be changes.
[ALISON] Okay. So it just varies on what the person needs?
[LAURIE] Yep
[ALISON] So what’s been the good part or the good parts about having a prescriber in the practice.
[LAURIE] So I’d say the good part really is the collaboration. That’s why I feel like we are so lucky right now to have Dennis. He’s always willing to talk. He’s always willing to ask about, okay, this is what’s going on with so and so. What are your thoughts? Really open minded. To me, that is the number one reason to hire a prescriber, that collaboration piece, because I will say that it’s not necessarily going to bring in a ton of income. So that’s another thing. Now you’re asking about the good stuff, but that’s just something to think about as well. It’s a little different, again with how you pay them and the amount of clients that they can even see, just because we’re small private practice. So the collaboration is really amazing, I think too, with the new shifts in ketamine treatment. I think that is going to be a really big benefit to some of our clients that are maybe severely depressed or medication isn’t quite working or they don’t want to have medication on a consistent basis. So I think that’s going to be something really unique and wonderful about having Dennis on board.
[ALISON] Let’s talk about that because I feel like that’s a relatively new thing and not everybody may be familiar with ketamine treatment. So can you give us a brief overview what that entails?
[LAURIE] Sure, sure. So I’m fairly new in that realm myself. I’m right now trying to educate myself as much as possible before we really offer that officially through shoreside. So Dennis has been doing it for a while, so he’s well versed. He knows what he is doing. I don’t know as much. However, the idea with the ketamine treatment is that somebody that might be again, struggling with being stuck in treatment, being stuck in their thought processes that they would come in for a ketamine treatment. There’s a lot of different ways to do ketamine. People can do infusions, they can do a nasal spray or they can do, sort of like a legend which is what we are going to be doing.

So you can look up and see the benefits and research on each of those ways of administering those ketamine treatments. But we felt like that was the way to go. We didn’t really want to mess around with IVs and that just gets a little bit more medical than what we’re really equipped to do. Typically it’s like a two-hour session. So a therapist is in there with that client. It depends how much they want to talk or not talk at all, but basically they’re there for support and then talking through what they discovered and what they felt. But a lot of people feel like it’s a very calm experience, does open up their minds to new pathways, is another benefit to it and just feeling like it’s a thing that I’ve heard people say happens afterwards, it’s like this feeling of connection and not being afraid, which is an interesting takeaway from the experience. I think it does open up people for their next steps in life and what they want next, because change is hard and therapy is all about helping somebody create change in their life. But the reality is that most people don’t really want it because it’s easy to stay the same.
[ALISON] So have you started doing that yet or that’s on the horizon?
[LAURIE] That’s on the horizon. I definitely want to take my time in making sure that I’m educated enough, that our therapists are, will probably pick a couple therapists that are interested in it and have them facilitate it. Again, it’s really nice because of the collaboration. It’s going to be right in our office. We know Dennis very well and we will be able to communicate in an easy, easy way so I’m very excited about it. But I would say the goal would be in the next few months that we start advertising that.
[ALISON] You have to let me know how that goes because that’s, I will really interesting
[LAURIE] It is. I’m fascinated by it.
[ALISON] I know there’s always lots of questions from folks about adding a prescriber to their practice. So if you had to give some advice to those people, or if you have any sort of tips or strategies that you’ve learned or mistakes that you made, that you could tell them to avoid, what would some of those things be?
[LAURIE] Yes, I’ve definitely made a lot of mistakes, that’s for sure. Yes, just, not really knowing, just not fully understanding that it is, like you said, it’s a totally different area of mental health. So you want to be educated. So a tip I have is you want to be educated on all of the medication, because if you are working with any prescriber, you’re going to want to know exactly what that medication’s going to do and what it’s for and what it’s not good for. That’s where the communication I think can be really important. A client can go in and talk about how depressed they are and they need motivation and not mention that they have panic attacks and the prescriber can go ahead and put them on Wellbutrin, which tends to not be so great for panic attacks. So having that collaboration is really important.
[LAURIE] Another tip would be doing your due diligence in finding somebody that’s going to be the right fit. I think that that was the hardest part for us as well is knowing what questions to ask, understanding how much somebody’s actually really able to collaborate. Because again, it’s not always somebody not wanting to collaborate. It can be that they just are that busy. So that part is I think really important of saying, okay, if somebody wants to reach out to you and they have a question about medication, tell me what you do. Tell me the process there, which I didn’t ask. I don’t think the first couple NPS that we’ve had, I don’t think I asked that actual day to day, how do you do this? How do you work? Then as far as mistakes, we had, I almost feel like we have pretty good people that work for us but we did have our second nurse practitioner. She just didn’t want to prescribe medication anymore. Didn’t want to renew the license for it. However, that was its own issue as well because her license just cut off and then she wasn’t, even if she wanted to help somebody until we found a new one, she couldn’t.
[ALISON] She couldn’t legally.
[LAURIE] No, no. So that’s something really to consider as well that people will leave at some point. I mean, I think it’s typical for somebody to stay maybe three years, something like that but when they leave, knowing what to do is also so important because these are all people that are going to need their medication and they’re going to need it soon. It really depends how often they get their prescription, because if you’re taking like a Xanax, for example, you have to do that every single month, or Adderall, something like that. You can’t really go and say here’s three months. That’s not going to work. So that was something we learned the hard way. What we ended up doing was basically having our clients just go to their primary care physician until we found somebody else. So that was, it was a solution. It wasn’t ideal
[ALISON] I think that’s such a good point. Like you have to think about just like when a therapist leaves, what if the prescriber leaves and you obviously don’t want to just leave people in the lurch and then they have no plan for how to continue taking their medication, which obviously could be a huge problem?
[LAURIE] Right. And we had the same thing with our third nurse practitioner, which we had more notice for, but it was extremely hard to hire. This was maybe four or five, well, four or five months ago maybe and hiring therapists or nurse practitioners was extremely difficult, not really something we could have anticipated that that would be so difficult, but it really was. So again, the clients we had to say either they could go with that other nurse practitioner, which worked out really well, I think or they would see their primary care until we found someone. But that’s extremely stressful. I don’t know if that’s something I would’ve thought about before hiring, that there’s a potential for somebody to leave. Even if they give appropriate notice, is still, you got to get somebody in there, but you have to find someone good
[ALISON] That’s going to be a good fit with the practice.
[LAURIE] Yes.
[ALISON] Yep, for sure. Well, Laurie, it was great talking with you today, all about your experiences with having nurse practitioners. I think that, like I said, that’s something that people ask me about all the time. So it’s great to hear somebody’s firsthand experience of doing that. What is the best way for people to reach out to you or check out your counseling practice website?
[LAURIE] So you can check us out at shoresidetherapies.com and if you want to reach out to me, I’m also happy to answer questions. Talking about private practice in my business is super fun to me so you’re never bothering me with those questions. My email is LG@shoreside, I’m sorry, lgshoreside, gmail.com. If you have any questions, happy to answer them.
[ALISON] Awesome. That’s very nice of you. Well, it was great talking to you, Laurie. Thank you so much.
[LAURIE] Thank you. This is great.
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