Google Artificial Intelligence and the Enneagram with Earl J. Wagner Ph.D. | PoP 292

Google Artificial Intelligence and the Enneagram with Earl J. Wagner

Have you ever heard of the enneagram philosophy? Do you sometimes struggle to understand other people’s point of view? Are you interested in different perspectives of the world?

In this episode, Joe Sanok speaks with Earl J. Wagner about Google artificial intelligence and the enneagram.

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Meet Earl J. Wagner

Earl J. Wagner does leading work in technology and personal development. As a Google software engineer working in artificial intelligence, he enabled the Google Assistant on Google Home to provide users with guidance through cooking recipes. Also at Google, he teaches the skills of Compassionate Communication, having taught over 2000 employees in over 100 sessions. This is part of his involvement in the international Nonviolent Communication Community spanning nearly a decade. He has also long been involved in the Enneagram personality type community, and serves on the board of the International Enneagram Association.

Earl holds a PhD in Artificial Intelligence from Northwestern University, an MS in Media Arts and Sciences from the MIT Media Lab, and a BA in Computer Science and Philosophy from University of California, Berkeley. He splits his time between Santa Cruz, California and Chicago, Illinois.

Earl J. Wagner’s Story

Earl has always been interested in mysticism and different takes on reality. When he was growing up, he was fascinated with ‘Ripley’s Believe It or Not’, as well as theories around the pyramids, etc. Earl is also very interested in people’s different perspectives on life. And, how they can bridge the gap between their different views.
With regards to his current involvement in AI, he’s always been interested in technology and maps. Early on, he realised that you can see things in new ways by taking a step back. With AI, it’s using computers to see things in new ways, i.e.: having the computer provide a map for you.

In This Podcast


In this episode, Earl J Wagner shares his journey of how he became involved in developing the assistant side of Google’s artificial intelligence. He also speaks into his interest of different world views and provides invaluable insight into the enneagram, nonviolent communication, and spiral dynamics.

“Through software, you can help people have any kind of experience.”


Earl started meditating in college and enjoyed its effects of obtaining clarity of mind and a new perspective on things, as well as relaxation.

Definition of Enneagram: The Enneagram refers to the nine different types or styles. Each represents a worldview and archetype that resonates with the way people think, feel and act in relation to the world, others and themselves.

When Earl discovered the enneagram, it helped provide him with some perspective on how other people view life and approach situations. The enneagram also provides us with a better understanding of ourselves through the experience of others.

Nonviolent Communication

Spiral Dynamics

Tier one thinking: black and white / us versus them thinking. Believing that you have a specific path to follow and that there are a certain set of beliefs that bring unity. This can prevent people from discovering what they believe personally. People may think that if they believe something different to the people around them, they will lose their support system.

This gradually moves into individual philosophy of life. Deciding on your own belief system, but still acknowledging the validity of others’ beliefs. This developed further into a more holistic view of other people’s experiences in other parts of the world. There is a focus on tolerance except for the intolerant.

Tier two thinking: having a curiosity of other people’s views and opinions. In tier one, people are often motivated by fear. Yet, in tier two, people seem to let go of the fears and accept them as part of the range of experience.

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Meet Joe Sanok

private practice consultantJoe Sanok helps counselors to create thriving practices that are the envy of other counselors. He has helped counselors to grow their businesses by 50-500% and is proud of all the private practice owners that are growing their income, influence, and impact on the world. Click here to explore consulting with Joe.






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