Joe Sanok on Making Your Next Big Move | FP 30

Joe Sanok on Making Your Next Big Move | FP 30

Should you be taking calculated risks? How can you foster your curiosity and why should you be doing this? Are you surrounding yourself with people who are on the same journey as you, and how could it help you reach your goals faster?

In this podcast episode, Whitney Owens speaks to Joe Sanok about making your next big move.

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Meet Joe Sanok

Joe Sanok

Joe Sanok is a keynote and TEDx speaker, business consultant, and podcaster. Joe has the #1 podcast for counselors, The Practice of the Practice Podcast. With interviews with Pat Flynn, John Lee Dumas, and Lewis Howes, Joe is a rising star in the speaking world!

He is a productivity researcher and author. His book, Thursday is the New Friday is being published by HarperCollins in 2021.

Visit Joe’s website, connect with him on Instagram, LinkedIn, and listen to his podcast.

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In This Podcast


  • Calculated risks
  • Internal inclinations
  • Why some people move on things and others don’t
  • Mastermind groups

Calculated risks

Sometimes when you jump, you learn important lessons. I don’t necessarily see it as past fails as much as that its giving me good information to be able to make different decisions in the future.

Joe had landed a foster care supervisor job and was doing his private practice as a side gig. Because he had a full-time job at the time he could take much bigger risks in his private practice. He took much bigger risks by raising his rate as a new clinician, being entirely private pay, to able to try something new because he didn’t need that money in the same way as if he was just starting a practice and that was his only income.

Internal inclinations

In Joe’s new book there is a chapter that covers internal inclinations. There are 3 inclinations that either come naturally or you need to work on to be really successful in the business world:

  1. Curiosity – when we have a belief set that is challenged, the larger that gap is, the more curious we get.
  2. Outsider approach – certain norms start to become unwritten rules, and the downside of this is is that we don’t have diversity in ways of thinking. An outsider could have a totally different perspective and this could have its advantages.
  3. Moving on it – you really want to be able to act on things but also make sure that you’re putting enough thought into it.

Why some people move on things and others don’t

If we think of it as a spectrum, on one side there are people who are very high in the thought area and very low in the action area. These are people who really value accuracy, are perfectionists, and may succumb to imposter syndrome. As a result, they are very slow to move as they don’t trust their own skills to be able to move forward and they need a lot of feedback.

On the other side, they are high in the action area and low in the thought area. These people see an idea and they go after it.

We want to make sure that we find some middle ground between these 2 spectrums.

Mastermind groups

When you start to surround yourself with a consultant, with other people, that are, in an aspirational way, trying to get to that next level, its like, all those ships rise with the tide.

It’s important to surround yourself with people who are on the same journey, and when you get people together that have a common goal, everybody gets there faster.

Schedule a pre-consult call with Whitney to see if the Mastermind, which is launching on June 11th, is the right fit for you.

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Meet Whitney Owens

Whitney Ownens | Build a faith-based practiceWhitney is a licensed professional counselor and owns a growing group practice in Savannah, Georgia. Along with a wealth of experience managing a practice, she also has an extensive history working in a variety of clinical and religious settings, allowing her to specialize in consulting for faith-based practices and those wanting to connect with religious organizations.

Knowing the pains and difficulties surrounding building a private practice, she started this podcast to help clinicians start, grow, and scale a faith-based practice. She has learned how to start and grow a successful practice that adheres to her own faith and values. And as a private practice consultant, she has helped many clinicians do the same.

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