Live Consulting with Dr. JanaLee Wagner: How Do I Build More Passive Income? | PoP 539

Why should your personal time in the business be the most expensive resource? What are the benefits of trying out a soft launch for a new business venture? How can people a few steps ahead of you help you along to your goals?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok does a live consulting call with Dr. JanaLee Wagner about how she can free up her time and build more passive income.

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Meet Dr. JanaLee Wagner

Dr. JanaLee Wagner has been a clinical social worker for over 30 years. She specializes in trauma care, empowering women to find their confidence and build independent lives when bouncing back from controlling relationships.

She also runs a non-profit organization to fight social isolation in all walks of life.

Visit her website, and connect on Facebook, Pinterest, and Instagram.

In This Podcast


  • Consider adding another clinician or two to the practice
  • Try out testing
  • Connect with people who have achieved your goals

Consider adding another clinician or two to the practice

The more that you have that income coming in outside of your own time, where you don’t have to be in the chair, you can be marketing the practice, running Facebook ads, having an admin do some of the marketing … that is going to make any [new venture] a lot easier. (Joe Sanok)

Growing your group practice by adding new clinicians to your staff is a good way of building up that passive income stream, as your clinicians will put in the hours to see clients while you as the business owner can focus on developing the practice.

Try out testing

Test out your new business venture ideas. What do you know about your audience? Which services can you provide for them that is particular to the skillsets within your group practice?

When you have a new business venture in mind, test it out as often as you can to know whether or not it is a viable option to commit to and try out. Consider giving a webinar about the topic of your new venture and give out a call to action to see what the response rate is to this new possibility.

Connect with people who have achieved your goals

If you have a considerable following on social media such as on Instagram or Facebook, contemplate whether you could connect with someone in your field that is at the level where you want to get to, in terms of followers, and perhaps collaborate with them.

Look for the people that are a few steps ahead of you and say to yourself ‘how do I align myself with that person?’ ‘How do I bring value to their audience?’ Can you reach out to them and say: ‘here’s what I do and I would like to provide that angle to your audience, we could do an Instagram Live together … I’m happy to help your audience in whatever way you think is best’. (Joe Sanok)

In this way, you and this person can build a like-minded relationship, you can help their audience and expand your reach to a whole new group of people while working alongside someone else, building connections, and co-creating content.

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Meet Joe Sanok

private practice consultant

Joe Sanok helps counselors to create thriving practices that are the envy of other counselors. He has helped counselors to grow their businesses by 50-500% and is proud of all the private practice owners that are growing their income, influence, and impact on the world. Click here to explore consulting with Joe.

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