Meditation and Anti-Racism work with Dr. Nathalie Edmond | PoP 501

Meditation and Anti-Racism work with Dr. Nathalie Edmond | PoP 501

Are you a private practitioner considering to incorporate anti-racism work into your practice? How can you go about doing this? What resources are available to you in order for you to expand your empathy and utilize your privilege for good?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks with Dr. Nathalie Edmond about meditation and anti-racism work.

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Meet Dr. Nathalie Edmond

Dr. Nathalie Edmond is a licensed clinical psychologist and an experienced yoga teacher. She has been in the therapy world for twenty years. She has been a clinician and administrator in a variety of clinical settings. She started her own private practice in 2015 and it grew to a group practice in 2019 called Mindful and Multicultural Counseling.

Dr. Edmond specializes in the treatment of trauma from a mind-body-spirit approach. She infuses mindfulness into her personal and professional life. Social justice is centered in her work. She has a variety of trainings on diversity and inclusion and developing an anti-racist identity. She enjoys bringing a mindful and compassionate approach to difficult conversations. She is located in New Jersey with her spouse and two kids.

Visit Nathalie’s website and connect on Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram.

In This Podcast


  • Becoming a meditative person
  • Merging meditation and anti-racism work
  • Parents and discussing anti-racism with kids
  • What people with privilege can do to be true allies

Becoming a meditative person

For Dr. Edmond, it took a couple of years dabbling in it before she felt that she needed to do it daily.

When I started doing this every day for 20 minutes I really started to feel the difference. I could observe myself more and I had much more compassion, and much more ease and much more grace. I still had a busy mind … but I became friends with it.

Meditation can take on many different forms for each person; it can be knitting, running, chanting, being in nature, or sitting down and gently clearing your mind.

When we allow ourselves to be still, we can become quiet enough to notice our train of thought and the patterns that we unconsciously fall into. It can be important to be curious about these patterns and upcoming thoughts, and you can decide if you want to be friends with it or fight to change it.

Merging meditation and anti-racism work

Dr. Edmond noticed that many people struggled to talk about big, difficult conversations such as racism, shame, anger, and guilt.

Anti-racism journey in communities:

  • With yoga, didactic experience with mediation as an introduction as to how people want to explore this topic in their lives.
  • Processing this topic as evaluating how and where racism has been present in their lives.

Anti-racism journey in group practices:

  • A three-part series, starting with looking at the history of slavery and racism in the United States. Here, Dr. Nathalie discusses that not being racist is not the same as being anti-racist. Anti-racism is the effort that someone puts into understanding their family history and dealing with racism at large.
  • This work helps therapists treat clients not simply as individuals but also as individuals in contact with larger society, and how that society can cause trauma, grief, and rage within the individual.

After unlocking this phase and journey:

  • The people in this work with Dr. Nathalie start to talk about when they started noticing when they started feeling different. It helps with empathy and vulnerability.
  • People then explore and discuss the things they are starting to see, and how to truly be an ally. How can people do that in a way that is authentic to them and their practice?

Parents and discussing anti-racism with kids

  • The idea of challenging color-blindness, because color-blindness is a form of racism. It is important to teach your kids that there are differences, but that one is not better than the other so that they can build a celebration of life in all its shapes and forms.
  • Introducing your children to diversity at a young age will help acclimate their body and mind to the fact that there are varieties of people in the world.
  • Explore websites like ‘embracerace’ to learn how to teach your children about the human population and different cultures in a wholesome and truthful manner.

What people with privilege can do to be true allies

I would want them to slow down and feel their feelings. If they’re just awakening to their privilege, to just sit in that for a bit to notice the waves of emotion, and then to really educate themselves – what’s the history of the United States? Not the history that you learned in school, but the history that we weren’t taught in school.

Learning and reading things to understand concepts such as redlining, the existence of racism post-slavery. For people with privilege to understand its systemic nature, and to then invite other white people into the conversation about it.

From there, for people with privilege to figure out how they can get into contact with the group they want to support. They can therefore use their privilege to help embolden voices that need assistance, without taking over the spotlight. They will also need to be able to sit in discomfort and hold space for that to get rid of shame. Do not shame other people who have not yet woken up to their privilege.



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