Psychedelics Series: An Intro to Psychedelics – Ayahuasca Part 1 | PoP 444

Psychedelics Series: An Intro to Psychedelics - Ayahuasca Part 1 | PoP 444

Have you ever wondered about how Ayahuasca is used in therapy? How do you prepare for a journey like this? How can a psychedelic experience be useful in therapy?

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks with ‘M’ about her work and journey with Ayahuasca and how psychedelics can be used in therapy.

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In This Podcast


  • Definitions
  • Medicines
  • Preparing for an Ayahuasca experience
  • Ayahuasca journey


  • Medicine work: work with psychedelics or other molecules that can alter your consciousness. It is not being intoxicated it is being altered, a non-ordinary state of consciousness.
  • Set and setting: mindset and the physical and social environment in which the user has the experience. What you carry with you and where you are in the world.


  • Ayahuasca – this is a brew most frequently, it is 2 plants that come from the Amazon jungle that when cooked together for a long time potentiate one another so as to cause this deeply altered experience.
  • Psilocybin – naturally occurring psychedelic. A stronger dose of Psilocybin can become more Ayahuasca-like. A light experience with psilocybin is anything under 1 gram.
  • MDMA – as an intro this can be paired with Psilocybin, especially when working with people who have a nervous system that gets triggered very easily or they get jolted to being anxious or worried. MDMA creates a safety net around you where everything feels really good and okay.

Preparing for an Ayahuasca experience

It’s like preparing a garden in the spring.

It is wise to prepare yourself physically, mentally and emotionally for the experience. The more you put into it, the more you get out of it. There are also a lot of dietary preparations

Ayahuasca journey

In the Mestizo Peruvian tradition these journeys take place in groups of 6-20 people and is often done at night. When taking the medicine your senses are very open and sensitized, your hearing and vision changes and this is often why the ceremony takes place in the dark. These ceremonies are entirely conducted with sound, so there is a pantheon of songs that are sung. They are very repetitive and simple and they act as a thread to carry you along this journey.

Books mentioned in this episode

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