Are you looking for resources to help your practice thrive and continue to function at an optimum level during COVID? Would you like to learn some tips on how to remain financially sustainable? Where can one find helpful tools?
In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok speaks about 3 free or low-cost tools to save money and run your practice more efficiently with Brent Sweitzer.
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Meet Brent Sweitzer
Brent Sweitzer, LPC, RPT specializes in helping distant couples reconnect and in helping children kids manage losses and challenges using play therapy. He is a Licensed Professional Counselor and Registered Play Therapist, which means he has received special training and supervision in using the medium of play to work with children of all ages.
He is also extensively trained in Emotionally Focused Couples Therapy, a well-researched approach that helps couples overcome longstanding conflicts in order to feel closer and communicate better. He runs his own private practice, Sweitzer Counseling that serves the communities of Cumming, Johns Creek, Alpharetta, and the surrounding communities in Atlanta, GA. He is married and has two young children of his own. When he’s not connecting with clients or his family, he’s often exploring the great outdoors or strumming his guitar.
In This Podcast
- Diversify your income streams
- 3 free/low-cost tools
- Give yourself financial wiggle-room
Diversify your income streams
Necessity breeds invention, you know? And so as more things kinda squeezed on me, it awakened that creative and resourceful parts that I think we all have that circumstances kind of activate and focus.
Having two income streams or multiple streams can take some vulnerability away if you only work with one main one. Thinking long term and diversifying your income streams can allow you some breathing space to deal with crisis moments, such as COVID.
3 free/low-cost tools
- Wave accounting
- Use your ethernet instead of spending fortunes on trying to set up WIFI that might be unreliable.
Spend some time evaluating where your expenses lie and see if you can opt-out and work with a resource that is cheaper or more effective than simply sticking to the old one because it is more familiar to use.
Give yourself financial wiggle-room
- It is a progression to work through, starting to work on the more resourceful aspects.
- The best way to make this shift is to change your views on business resources into an investment mindset – investing in something now may feel expensive but will be more efficient and cost-effective in the long-term.
- Hang onto wise frugality but let go of short-sightedness money-saving habits.
Books mentioned in this episode
- 3 Simple Steps to Wake Up Excited & Thrive as a Peak Performer with Sabrina Runbeck | PoP 487
- Killin’It Camp
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Meet Joe Sanok
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This is the Practice of the Practice podcast with Joe Sanok, session number 488.
Well, today’s episode is part of a series all with Killin’It Camp speakers. So, this year Killin’It Camp is going to be completely online. We have over twenty speakers, we have it all getting recorded – assuming the technology doesn’t act silly on us – and we have some killer deals from TherapyNotes, Brighter Vision, and other folks during Killin’It Camp. So in early October, we’re going to be having Killin’It Camp and you can come live to those. Or if you get a ticket and you want to just pop in, pop out, though they’ll all get recorded for you as well. And so for only $95 you can get access to all of these speakers, all of the recordings, all the bonuses, gotta head on over to killinitcamp.com. These are just a couple of the speakers that I’m having here on the podcast, but we’re having over twenty speakers; it’s gonna be amazing. We have three tracks – one track is called Pillars of Practice. These are short form, TED Talk type talks that are twenty-five minutes long; they’re on very clear, particular things of private practice. The other types are fifty-five minutes long, and those are How to Scale a Practice. So that’s gonna be all around group practices, and expanding, and scaling your practice. And then we also have the Multiple Streams of Income track. And the thing about this is you don’t have to choose between the tracks. We’ve set it up that only one session is going at a time. We have one login that you can pop in, pop out, wherever you can catch the talks, so we really want it to be accessible to you. Again, it’s only $95. So head on over to killinitcamp.com, and you can learn all about the speakers that will be there. We can’t wait for this. So without any further ado, here we go.
Well, today on the Practice of the Practice podcast we have Brent Sweitzer. Brent is an LPC, RPT, and specializes in helping kids and couples, and runs a solo practice in Cummings, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. He’s launching a podcast summer of 2020 for parents, to equip them in developing the inner emotional lives of their children. And he started SmartPracticeResources.com to help other practice owners find and use free or low cost tools to help them run their practices efficiently so they can live full, balanced lives. Brent, welcome to the Practice of the Practice podcast. [BRENT]:
Oh, thank you, Joe. I’m so excited to be here. I’ve been a loyal follower for a long time. [JOE]:
Yeah. And in there wasn’t that you were a Killin’It Camp speaker also last year, so you are one of the founding Killin’It Camp speakers. And you just knocked it out of the park last year. It was awesome to see people’s reactions. [BRENT]:
Oh, well, thank you. I did a topic that I was passionate about, but it was also kind of helpful for me. So it was like, well, let me share it. [JOE]:
Yeah, well, why don’t we share a little bit about your practice, and then it’s cool to see all these other ventures kind of happening with you, you know, the podcast and this new website. And behind it, you were saying before we get rolling, that saving money is a big part of who you are as a business owner. But tell us a little bit about your practice, and so people can kind of get a context of our conversation. [BRENT]:
Sure, sure. Well, counseling is a second career for me. So I was in the marketing, media space for a long time. And I got a lot from… I’ve experienced a lot of healing from the counseling profession and just slowly got nudged that direction. Like, why don’t I do this for a living? And so I went back to school in 2011, and then opened my solo practice in 2017 – ironically, right after I had a life, scary event; I had a heart attack. [JOE]:
Oh, wow. [BRENT]:
I’m a really healthy guy, so it kind of shook me. But what that motivated me to do was gosh, you know, none of us know how long we have and let’s not put off doing something that we know we need to do, or that we feel called to do, but we’re scared to do. So I started my practice about three and a half years ago solo, and then attended Killin’It Camp with you and so many great people in the fall, and was really inspired to… around that same time also, was when I went from my practice being part time to being full time. I’m the sole provider for a family, and my wife stays at home – we have two young children – so it was a scary leap. And then along comes COVID. So it’s been an interesting journey. [JOE]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, being that sole provider entering into COVID, I get that, because that’s the same with me, too, where it’s a lot on your shoulders before COVID, and then to think oh my word, like, now I really got to do business right. I got to keep my costs down while not sacrificing profits just to save a little money. Oh man, how did you, during COVID, kind of the beginning of it, how did you figure out where you were gonna spend time, where you were gonna spend money, where you were gonna cut things? How did you sort through that in the midst of the pandemic in early 2020? [BRENT]:
Yeah, I mean, just like everybody, it was a shock and at the same time, having made this leap into private practice in the fall, I’ve kind of… I got practice with shocks. So I already practiced some of the leading, thinking about strategically how to run more efficiently, run more effectively. And that had been sort of a progressive thing for me – it’s a passion for me anyway, but necessity breeds invention. And so, as more things kind of squeezed on me, it awakened those creative and resourceful parts that I think we all have, that sometimes circumstances kind of activate and focus.
But some of the things that I focused on in the fall, but then even more so with COVID, was… one thing that I’ve had my entire career was having, at least as a therapist, was having two incomes in two different income streams. And then I finally made this leap into full time practice. And then the practice obviously took a hit as so many small businesses have during COVID. But I realized that I needed to think in the long term about what… having other sources of income, diversify, you know, the principle of diversifying and investments or anything like that. I thought, well, this makes me vulnerable, having just one source of income. So that was a motivator and then, obviously, pivoting to working from home, and telehealth with children, you know, setting up my office for various things. I have a technology background so how to… this was hard for a lot of therapists, going from seeing people in person to suddenly being an IT specialist of having to figure all this stuff.[JOE]:
Yeah, HIPAA compliant software, lighting, good audio, getting your kids to stay out of the room. [BRENT]:
Exactly. And all those things. I was able to draw from my background in media and technology, of understanding lighting, and also brushed up on my three point lighting techniques I learned when I was in video production. [JOE]:
There you go. You’re talking my language. Even when I do a Zoom call with my team, I got that going on. [BRENT]:
Yeah, there you go. And utilizing daylight when you can and those kinds of things. So, and even using Ethernet for hardwire connection; that’s something that a lot of therapists have experienced frustration with telehealth, because suddenly all these tools are being pressed. But one thing that is a key variable for me, it’s like gosh, plug in the Ethernet. It fixes a lot of bandwidth issues. So that’s just a little plug for Ethernet. [JOE]:
Yeah. Well as an IT guy, I kind of wanna pick your brain after this interview about, we’re doing this big road trip, we decided we’re going to quarantine in national parks rather than at home. [BRENT]:
Sounds wonderful. [JOE]:
And so in September, at the time that this episode’s going live, we’re going to be on the road. And my brother-in-law’s an IT guy, and helping get this mega Wi-Fi antenna thing into our camper. But the idea of just doing podcast interviews and all that on the road – we’re doing our own podcast around it called Leave to Find. But even just figuring all that out, it’s like, oh, my word, like, how do I make all this work? Now, tell me about your podcast that you’ve been working on, and what are your hopes for it? How do you think you might monetize it? Are you not worried about monetizing it? Tell me a little bit about that. [BRENT]:
Yeah, that’s a great question. It’s, again, a common theme in a lot of people that are on your show of how much you’ve influenced them and inspired them through your own modeling and through just the content you’ve offered. And so you know, going to Killin’It Camp, you really talked about podcasting and how it’s the sort of golden age, or this unique window of podcasting. And that’s just really moved me and inspired me. I’ve always been passionate about the topic, which is equipping parents to help foster the emotional and the inner lives of their children. Part of my training as a play therapist was learning what’s like ways to teach parents basic play therapy skills with their kids, how to respond to their play in ways that foster self-esteem, and foster autonomy, and direction. And so that was a topic that I was already passionate about in my clinical work, and wanted to blog about.
But then when it kind of aligned with podcasting, I was like, well, this is a great medium for doing this. As you mentioned, a lot of your listeners know, it’s very intimate. Sometimes you feel like that person is talking directly to you; that’s the power of radio. I mean, I’m a big radio listener, I love public radio, and love podcasts and audiobooks. And so it just sort of fit me in terms of… I was like, oh, that’s a no brainer, I need to do this. I just wasn’t sure when, and then COVID hit and I was like, well, what am I waiting for? It’s a great opportunity. And in terms of monetizing, I mean my vision is starting this with… because it also helps me clarify, I mean, I’m real rooted in my theory of change, but it also helps me communicate that way of being with children, that way of being in the world, and being with my clients in a kind of easier to understand way. So the podcast helps me in just being a better communicator.
But in terms of monetizing it, my vision is to eventually build an audience to be able to develop an online course for parents that… because I love… I’ve got so many parenting books and my wife and I were nerdy about child development and stuff. But many parents, they’re tired, they’re worn out, they’re so exhausted that they’re often not gonna have time to read an entire book or even a chapter, but they might listen to a ten to fifteen minute podcast, and then turning that into an online course that could provide some video demonstrations about how to talk to a child, and some toys or other kind of things that help foster the inner life of a child. And so that’s my vision for it – to become into an online course eventually.[JOE]:
No, I think that’s great. I even think about just last night how bedtime went with our five and nine year old, I’m like, boy, even though I did therapy, it’d be nice to have another outside person saying maybe try this, or here’s a technique that might work. Because I think when you’re in the midst of it, even if you do this work, it’s just a reminder of here’s some things to center yourself. Here’s some things to help your kids grow. And people like yourself that have spent so much time digging in, yeah, to just listen to a podcast while I go for a walk and say, okay, I’m gonna try that new technique. I can’t wait to check it out. What’s the name of the podcast? [BRENT]:
It’s called Purposeful Parent. [JOE]:
The idea is… not that we can all be purposeful, because there’s times where we’re very reactive. But the more we can kind of focus on our own values, our own goals, our own desires for our children’s future, and also our future relationship with them, if we can just do that a little bit progressively every day, then… if we’re more purposeful, it’s the chance of the relationship being better in the long term, and also their emotional health being better, and also our own emotional health because being a parent is really hard. [JOE]:
Yeah, it is. I mean, I was just thinking last night how… So, I’ve decided for a little bit to give up drinking and just try to center myself differently. And just the idea of, I’m just like giving it all to bedtime, and my wife was out with a friend, and just kind of having some time away, and how it’s like, you just go full tilt. And then it’s like you have maybe an hour to watch Netflix and just relax. And then it’s like you’re on repeat again and again. And it’s just… it is a good thing they don’t teach this to kids, because otherwise the population would just dwindle. Just how hard it is to be a parent sometimes. Or teach [unclear]. If kids knew how much work it is, they may never have kids. [BRENT]:
Oh, right, right, right. I see what you’re saying. Oh, my goodness, No, you’re right. It’s sort of like, thank goodness our evolutionary drive to reproduce wins out. [JOE]:
Oh my gosh, for sure. Well, I want to talk a little bit about SmartPracticeResources.com because I think that really kind of dovetails on your talk for Killin’It Camp about ‘Free and low cost tools to save money and run your practice’. Tell me about SmartPracticeResources.com and tell us just some ways that people can save money and run their practice more efficiently. [BRENT]:
Yeah, well, you know, one thing that inspired me to do this, is this is part of my DNA. I’ve always been a very frugal person – the person I’m married to might say cheap, but I just prefer frugal. [JOE]:
Or smart with your money. [BRENT]:
There you go, Well, that’s the thing. Smart. That’s why I chose that title, because to me, smart is not paying for something that you don’t need to pay for, if you can get it for free, as long as it’s ethical and responsible. And then sometimes the free tools can even be better than the paid tools. And then there’s also, at the same time, reasons to pay for tools and services that will ultimately… you may be paying and it may feel the pain in the short term, but the long term it’s an investment in your practice, an investment in yourself, an investment in your clients. And so helping people, practice owners, navigate that world. My background is in technology and marketing, and also worked in the nonprofit space. And so, I’ve learned how to be nimble, how to be efficient – efficiency is a big thing for me. I spoke on the Getting Things Done methodology at Killin’It Camp last year, and that’s a methodology all about understanding how your brain works, so that you can not just get more accomplished, but also be more present and be more engaged and really be in your life, in the moment, and not kind of being anxious about something else.
So this website is basically just providing those kinds of resources, things that I’ve learned along the way and also, I welcome… would love to know from other people, and other people on my list, and listeners, if they have tools, if they have systems, if they have knowledge that’s helped them run more efficiently, I would love to know about that so I can share it with a broader audience. But that sort of three things that I just mentioned, they’re sort of different… David Allen, who wrote Getting Things Done, and other productivity experts, I’ve heard them sort of describe the holy trinity of productivity and effectiveness as the right knowledge, the right tools, and the right systems. And so, when all those things are functioning together, the chances of you being productive, efficient, and also balanced in your life goes up. So sometimes you can have a good tool, but not know how to use it well, or not have a good system that’s getting the most out of the tool. You’re not using it how it’s designed.
And so, for example, one of the things that I… a tool that I’ve found very helpful for accounting, you know, as practice owners, we’re business owners, and we need to be able to understand the language of business, which is accounting and accounting principles. QuickBooks is the tool that everybody is familiar with, and I’ve used it before. But I found there is actually, in this age of cloud software, Software as a Service, freemium sort of software, you can get access to a tool for the basic features for free, and then you can pay to get more things. There’s a great tool called Wave Accounting that I… I was with QuickBooks for a long time, and I just found I wasn’t utilizing the $20 a month, or $30 a month, that it was, for my practice of the size that it was, and I switched to this tool and, you know, $15, $20, $30 a month, you spread that over three years, that starts to add up. And now with COVID, and we’re all having to run our businesses more efficiently, that’s just one example of like, hey, let’s be willing to scrutinize some of our expenses. And hey, if there’s a free or a lower cost option that does the job as well or better, I want to know about that so I can make an informed decision.[JOE]:
Yeah, I feel like sometimes there’s that initial time to switch over where you have so many of your systems already set up into one system, and you don’t love it. And I’ve heard this with a lot of electronic health records people that they’ll say, oh, I don’t love fill in the blank, I know I should switch to something better, but just the pain of switching over is going to be too much. But if you can save some money, or even cut some time over the long haul… I think that the formula I heard is that if you can do something that will save you – what was it – save an hour, to expect that it will take about twenty hours to switch, that that’s better in the long term. There’s some formula that I heard once about, I think it was like a one to twenty ratio in regards to transition that you can then look at, okay, this is going to save this many hours, it’s going to save this much money to just kind of clean up your systems, that that’s so important to do. [BRENT]:
Yeah, and on that on that note, too. I’ve been reading this book, Atomic Habits by James Clear – I don’t if you’re familiar with it. [JOE]:
Oh, yeah, my wife just read that. [BRENT]:
It was just fantastic. And he’s become kind of a curator for all the habit research and all the… there’s a lot of books that have been coming out about that, he just reads them all and then he just distills them into some of the most practical concepts. And one of the things he talks about is, habits are kind of like the compound interest of time, and of living. And you think about compound interest, that a little bit of money put aside, and then you just multiply it times time, it doesn’t just compound on just the amount, it’s sort of, you know, when you get a little bit more efficient, and when you get a little bit more money, then it kind of has this amazing ability to.. I don’t understand math and statistics the way other people do, but it scales in ways that our minds often can’t comprehend. And I think saving time is the same thing. If we can save five minutes a day, you think about… or even like five minutes in a session, utilizing electronic health records. That could be thirty minutes in a day. That could be two hours in a week, or something like that. You start kind of accumulating, you’re like yes, my billable rate… [JOE]:
That’s like eighty hours a year, more, like, yeah, yeah, it’s like you get an extra couple weeks a year of work out of it. It reminds me of in the book, The One Thing, and they’ve used it I think in like a Fidelity commercial where they have the little domino that hits the domino that’s a third bigger, that hits the domino that’s a third bigger and within I think ten or twelve dominoes, it’s like two stories tall. And just that idea of… even just around habits, you know, every year I’ve kind of said, well, what’s that one big thing that if I did that – and this is from The One Thing – it would make everything else easier. And you know, one year it was getting more private pay clients. The next year was getting more consulting clients. The next year was doing a mastermind group, and then Next Level Practice, and this year it was getting a traditional book deal. And when you do that, it’s just, the momentum you can get around, I’m gonna just put my time into the best use of my time, and then just strip out everything else that is just wasting my time. Even if it’s good, it’s not moving me towards those really big goals. [BRENT]:
Yeah, the power of focus, and the power of those little things, because when you talk about The One Thing, it seems like that that aligns your mind, and the focus of your… every day that you’re doing small things to head in that direction. And so you’re like a rudder on a ship that, when you turn it slightly, you’re not going to notice it in a week, but in a month or whatever, you will have gone a significant progress in another direction because of those little changes. [JOE]:
Yeah, and it kind of makes me think about I’ve been exploring the idea of triggers. And for a long time, I’ve been kind of anti vision board, and woowoo, we’re gonna just will it to the universe. But I was like, what is it about vision boards that people are so into? I think part of it is, it’s in the same line as people that journal every evening and morning, or people that have affirmation cards, that we do what we see. And so if you see something every single day that says, I want a… like for me, this last year and a half was I want to get a traditionally published book, and I want HarperCollins, and it’s not that I willed it to the universe that made that happen, it’s that by seeing that every day and pushing myself to work with the right people and follow the right steps, like, then that kind of end goal is top of mind and I’m spending time on it versus all the millions of other things I could spend time on. [BRENT]:
Yeah, it’s almost like a magnet that just starts to draw you in that direction. Yeah. And the… oh, I lost my train of thought, but yeah, I mean, it’s essentially… oh, I know what it was, it was David Allen and his book – one of the things that he said is that sometimes we don’t know what to do until we see ourselves doing it. In the sense of that, we can picture something then sometimes the next steps become more clear and more obvious. [JOE]:
Yeah. Yeah. You only need to kind of know the thing in front of you. You don’t need to know the entire plan. [BRENT]:
Yeah. Kind of the next action, the next right action, or the little things to get started, then the next step, and the next step. There’s a, I don’t know, there’s a spiritualness to that as well. It’s sort of an act of faith of heading towards something that you feel, like I want to do this, I feel called to this. Let’s get started. [JOE]:
Yeah. I want to ask you one question before I do our last question. Because I feel like when you talk about being seen as either cheap or frugal or smart with your money, whatever word we use, I can totally relate to that. And I’ve had to, in some ways, kind of move away from that kind of whatever saves money, that’s the best thing. That I had to figure out that there is time to spend money on that, say, expensive dinner or, for us, it’s getting this RV to go across the nation. And to realize that sometimes the cheapest thing isn’t going to be the best thing for me or for my family. How have you… because I feel like we’re cut from the same cloth as you describe yourself, and you described the dynamic with your wife, I’m like, that sounds pretty accurate. How do you figure out – either personally or in business – when is it I’m gonna go the kind of cheaper route, and when is it I’m gonna give myself more wiggle room? Like, how have you sorted through that? [BRENT]:
Oh gosh, it’s been a progress or a progression because there were many times in my life where I’ve been more short-sighted and just tried to save money and then it’s ended up, you know, suffering. Either the thing broke that I bought, or that kind of thing. But I think, I’d say for me, as I’ve done more my own inner healing… because I was raised in a family where there was just, there was a lot of financial insecurity and anxiety. So, I kind of got wired into my DNA and then as I healed, it allowed me to go from a mindset of… think about more of an investment mindset. And so, when you think about my values… for example, when you have young children, your relationship can suffer, and so the importance of making time to invest in the relationship, well, often that involves hiring childcare so you can go out on a date, or you can even get away for a long weekend, I mean, we don’t have any family help so, or I mean, not as much as we’d like. So we’ve put a lot of money towards childcare, and been like… and I was resistant to it for a bit. I was like, well, this is an investment in our future, there’s an investment in our relationship for the long haul. And it’s way cheaper than divorce – I mean, I hate to be blunt, but… [JOE]:
You know what I mean? And when we’re caring for ourselves and thinking, what’s the kind of person I want to be? I want to be the kind of person that invests in things, and sort of that mindset, and then you kind of… it has helped me hang on to the wise frugality habits, but also try to let go of the unwise ones that are more short-sighted and don’t align with my long term values. [JOE]:
That’s so awesome. Well, the last question I always ask is if every private practitioner in the world were listening right now, what would you want them to know? [BRENT]:
I think in the context of this, with COVID happening and I know a lot of private practice – all small business – owners are feeling squeezed. But the world needs us more than ever in the mental health space. This is such a… we’re only beginning to see the emotional shockwaves of this among children, among teens, among marriages. And so, finding out a way to keep going and operate as lean as you can, but also not sacrificing yourself. Meaning like sometimes the best investment you can make in your practice is in your own counseling, in your own care for yourself, so that you can for the long haul, care for your clients and make the world a better place, which is what I’m passionate about. [JOE]:
That’s so awesome. Well, Brent, if people want to listen to your podcast, if they want to check out your resources, what’s the best way for them to connect with all of your resources? [BRENT]:
Yeah, so I’m giving away on my smart… so the website is www.smartpracticeresources.com. And if you go there, you can sign up for an email program. That’s, you know, a multi-touch email that just shares some of my best resources, whether it be tools, systems, or knowledge of how to run your practice more efficiently, particularly during COVID. So that’s where I would point people to. To get those resources you can sign up for the email there and then I’ll be continuing to send out resources over the months and years. [JOE]:
That’s so awesome. Well, Brent, I’m so excited to have you back as a Killin’It Camp speaker this year. Killin’It Camp is going to be a hundred percent online. It’s going to be in early October, the fifth through the seventh. This year, it’s only $95. You get to come to all three days of speakers, we have over twenty speakers, we’ve got some surprises for you, as well. All of the talks, assuming technology doesn’t be stupid, will end up being on Teachable and you’ll have access to all those folks. And so you’ll be able to pop in and pop out, there’s not going to be all these registration links you have to keep track of. It’s literally you’re going to pop into the room and then you can just stay in that room and then the next speaker comes up. So it’s going to be an awesome flow. It’s going to be bringing together like-minded people who care about practice, care about the business, care about marketing, care about growth, but they don’t want to lose their heart in the midst of it. So head on over to www.killinitcamp.com if you want to see Brent or any of the other speakers, to watch them live or the recordings. Thanks so much and Brent, have a great day. [BRENT]:
Thanks, Joe. I look forward to being there virtually.
So, so awesome. Thank you so much for just hanging out with us and signing up for Killin’It Camp. This is going to be an amazing year despite having this COVID thing and social distancing and online stuff going. We’re still gonna have an exciting time together at Killin’It Camp. Make sure you get your ticket; it’s only $95 over at www.killinitcamp.com. Also, thank you so much Brighter Vision for being our sponsor. Make sure you head on over to www.brightervision.com, use promo code JOE, you’re going to get a discount that way. Thank you so much for letting me into your ears and into your brain. Have an amazing day.
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